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== Criticism and reinterpretation by researchers on this wiki == | == Criticism and reinterpretation by researchers on this wiki == | ||
=== A decade of argument, lost from the inside === | |||
The most direct testimony on this wiki that the Sagnac effect resists special relativity comes from someone who arrived at it holding the opposite view, with the credentials to defend it. [[Cynthia Kolb Whitney]] took her Ph.D. in mathematical physics at MIT in September 1967 with a thesis on special relativity itself — ''Pauli Algebra Techniques in Special Relativity'' — and in that same year joined the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory, then part of MIT, among the engineers working in support of the Apollo programme. She was assigned to the ring laser gyroscope, a device whose entire operating principle is the Sagnac effect. | |||
By her own account the engineers there did not believe in special relativity, and she set out to change their minds. In her 2013 John Chappell Memorial Lecture she described the outcome without softening it: | |||
<blockquote>The engineers did not believe in SRT. Some of them, including myself, were dealing with ring laser gyroscopes, which are based on the Sagnac effect. For SRT, the Sagnac effect is a very inconvenient physical truth. But I argued with those engineers for quite a while. In fact, I argued for a whole decade. And I lost.</blockquote> | |||
Whitney went on to edit ''[[Galilean Electrodynamics]]'' and to develop a revised model of light-signal propagation intended, among other things, to reproduce the mathematics the Sagnac effect demands. She also reported a related episode from her doctoral years: her supervisor Laszlo Tisza later told her of conversations among the MIT physics faculty, overheard at a departmental tea, in which the professors expressed private doubts about the substance rather than the formalism of special relativity — one of them remarking that it was going to take decades to correct all of Einstein's mistakes. | |||
Her joint paper with [[Howard C Hayden]], "[[If Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, Why Not Michelson-Morley?]]" (1990), is discussed below. | |||
=== Selleri and the rotating frame === | === Selleri and the rotating frame === | ||
Latest revision as of 00:38, 20 July 2026
The Sagnac effect is the difference in travel time between two light beams sent in opposite directions around a closed loop that is itself rotating. First demonstrated by Georges Sagnac in 1913 with a rotating interferometer, it is today the operating principle of the ring laser gyroscope and the fibre-optic gyroscope, and it must be corrected for in the Global Positioning System.
It is also one of the most persistently contested experiments in the literature collected on this wiki. Sagnac himself regarded his result as a direct demonstration of a stationary ether, and the effect has been pressed into service against special relativity ever since — on the grounds that it exhibits, plainly and at first order, an anisotropy in the one-way speed of light. The mainstream reply, given by Paul Langevin in 1921, is that the rotating apparatus is a non-inertial system and that special relativity, properly applied, predicts the effect exactly. Whether that reply settles the matter or merely relocates the difficulty is the substance of the dispute.
The experiment
In Sagnac's 1913 apparatus, a light source, four mirrors and a photographic plate were all mounted on a single disk that could be spun. Light from the source was split into two beams which travelled around the polygonal circuit in opposite directions before recombining to produce interference fringes on the plate. Sagnac measured the shift in fringe position when the direction of rotation was reversed.
The fringe shift is proportional to the angular velocity of the disk and to the area enclosed by the light path. Crucially it is a first-order effect in v/c — unlike the Michelson-Morley experiment, which sought a second-order effect and found none. The apparatus detects its own rotation with no reference to anything outside itself; Wolfgang Pauli called it "essentially the optical analogue of the Foucault pendulum."
Related experiments include those of Franz Harress (1911, on rotating glass), the Michelson-Gale experiment of 1925 which measured the Earth's own rotation, and the repetition by Dufour and Prunier in 1937.
Sagnac's interpretation
Sagnac interpreted the fringe shift as evidence of an "ether wind" giving the two counter-propagating beams different velocities, and held that the rotating interferometer demonstrated the existence of an immobile ether. He retained a lifelong opposition to relativity, later attempting an electrodynamics that would preserve classical space, time and ether by treating the propagation of energy statistically and separately from the propagation of motion. In 1923 he interpreted observations of stellar colour shift as an ether-wind effect rather than as support for general relativity. His results were used by a number of French physicists as an argument against relativity into the 1930s.
The standard relativistic account
The orthodox position is that the Sagnac effect is fully consistent with special relativity and predicted by it. Max von Laue had analysed the rotating-interferometer experiment in 1911, before Sagnac performed it, and showed that ether theory and relativity theory predict the same result. Langevin's responses of 1921 and 1937 became the standard treatment: because the rotating frame is non-inertial, the light speed measured around the loop by a co-rotating observer need not be c, and an inertial observer watching the same experiment computes the fringe shift straightforwardly. In general-relativistic terms the effect can be described by treating the disk frame as carrying an effective field directed away from its centre.
Since the effect is only first order in v/c, both classical and relativistic derivations reproduce it — which is precisely why the experiment's evidential force is disputed rather than decisive.
Criticism and reinterpretation by researchers on this wiki
A decade of argument, lost from the inside
The most direct testimony on this wiki that the Sagnac effect resists special relativity comes from someone who arrived at it holding the opposite view, with the credentials to defend it. Cynthia Kolb Whitney took her Ph.D. in mathematical physics at MIT in September 1967 with a thesis on special relativity itself — Pauli Algebra Techniques in Special Relativity — and in that same year joined the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory, then part of MIT, among the engineers working in support of the Apollo programme. She was assigned to the ring laser gyroscope, a device whose entire operating principle is the Sagnac effect.
By her own account the engineers there did not believe in special relativity, and she set out to change their minds. In her 2013 John Chappell Memorial Lecture she described the outcome without softening it:
The engineers did not believe in SRT. Some of them, including myself, were dealing with ring laser gyroscopes, which are based on the Sagnac effect. For SRT, the Sagnac effect is a very inconvenient physical truth. But I argued with those engineers for quite a while. In fact, I argued for a whole decade. And I lost.
Whitney went on to edit Galilean Electrodynamics and to develop a revised model of light-signal propagation intended, among other things, to reproduce the mathematics the Sagnac effect demands. She also reported a related episode from her doctoral years: her supervisor Laszlo Tisza later told her of conversations among the MIT physics faculty, overheard at a departmental tea, in which the professors expressed private doubts about the substance rather than the formalism of special relativity — one of them remarking that it was going to take decades to correct all of Einstein's mistakes.
Her joint paper with Howard C Hayden, "If Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, Why Not Michelson-Morley?" (1990), is discussed below.
Selleri and the rotating frame
Franco Selleri returned to the Sagnac effect repeatedly, in "Sagnac Effect: End of the Mystery" (2004), "The Sagnac Effect Explained" (2009) and "The Sagnac Effect, Once More" (2012). His argument is that taking the limit of a rotating frame as its radius grows without bound yields a frame that is locally inertial, yet in which the one-way speed of light remains anisotropic — so the appeal to non-inertiality does not dispose of the problem, and a preferred frame with absolute simultaneity is the more natural reading. Umberto Bartocci pursued a related line in "A Strictly Special-Relativistic Discussion of Ehrenfest Paradox and Sagnac Experiment Suggests Another Possible Experimental Falsification of Special Relativity" (2000), connecting the Sagnac case to the Ehrenfest paradox of the rotating disk.
The linear and generalized Sagnac effect
The strongest experimental challenge in this collection comes from Ruyong Wang and colleagues, who set out to remove rotation from the problem altogether. If the effect depends essentially on rotation, as the standard account maintains, then a purely linear apparatus should show nothing. Using a fibre-optic conveyor, Wang, Yi Zheng, Aiping Yao and Dean Langley reported a travel-time difference between counter-propagating beams in a uniformly moving fibre, of magnitude Δt = 2vΔl/c2, holding whether the segment moves in a straight line or in a circle. This result was published in the mainstream literature as Physics Letters A 312 (2003), pp. 7–10, and appears on this wiki as "Modified Sagnac experiment for measuring travel-time difference between counter-propagating light beams in a uniformly moving fiber"; the framework was developed further in "Generalized Sagnac Effect" (2004) and "A Modified Sagnac Experiment: First Order Interferometric Experiment with Light Paths in Uniform Translational Motion" (2002).
Wang drew the navigational consequence in "From the triangle Sagnac experiment to a practical, crucial experiment of the constancy of the speed of light using atomic clocks on moving objects" (1998) and in his GPS papers: if travel-time differences track translational speed directly, then speed can be measured without reference to anything external, which he argues is incompatible with the principle of relativity.
Clock synchronization
Alphonsus G Kelly approached the effect through synchronization in "Synchronisation of Clock-Stations and the Sagnac Effect" (1997), arguing that the impossibility of consistently synchronizing a ring of clocks around a rotating Earth — the fact that carrying a clock around the globe and back leaves a residual offset — is a physical fact about light propagation that the conventionalist defence of Einstein synchronization does not absorb.
Ether-based interpretations
John-Erik Persson treated the effect as central evidence for an entrained ether in "The Special Theory of Relativity and the Sagnac Effect" (2007), "Entrained Ether and Sagnac Effect" (2007), "Misunderstood Reality and SRT, Part 1: The Important Sagnac Effect" (2008) and "Bradley, Sagnac & Entrainment" (2010), the last connecting it to stellar aberration. Petr Beckmann, founder of Galilean Electrodynamics, linked the effect to the local gravitational field in "Sagnac and Gravitation" (1992). Laszlo Szego and Peter F. Ofner examined it alongside Hoek's experiment in "Hoek, Sagnac, and the Ether" (1996), and Francisco J. Müller with Dennis J. McCarthy posed a consistency challenge in "Can Relativity Predict and Open Rotational Sagnac Effect and not an Open Orbital Sagnac Effect Simultaneously?" (1997).
If Sagnac, why not Michelson-Morley?
Howard C Hayden and Cynthia Kolb Whitney framed what many here regard as the sharpest question in "If Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, Why Not Michelson-Morley?" (1990): if rotation is detectable optically in the Sagnac and Michelson-Gale experiments, an account is owed of why translation is not detectable in Michelson-Morley. Hayden pressed the point again in "On a Recent Mininterpretation of Sagnac's Experiment" (1991). Curtis E Renshaw addressed the whole experimental family from his Galilean standpoint in "Fresnel, Fitzeau, Hoek, Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale and Sagnac in Aetherless Galilean Space" (1996).
Relativistic readings from within this wiki
Not everyone collected here reads the effect as anti-relativistic, and several contributors have argued the orthodox case or something close to it. Robert B Driscoll maintained isotropic light speed in the co-rotating frame in "The Sagnac Effect: Isotropic Light Speed in the Co-Rotating Frame" (1996) and criticised the framing of the debate in "Sagnac's Experiment Misdescribed" (1997). Jan Olof Jonson gave "The Sagnac Effect Explained Using the Special Relativity Theory" (2009), and Patrick J Fleming combined special relativity with a de Broglie-Bohm reading and a non-zero photon rest mass (1997). Harvey L Morgan asked how far Newtonian rotational mechanics alone could account for the effect (1998), and Wolfgang Engelhardt gave both a critical assessment (2007) and a comparative "Classical and Relativistic Derivation of the Sagnac Effect" (2013).
The GPS connection
Because the Earth rotates beneath the satellites, a Sagnac correction is applied as a matter of routine in GPS. Critics regard this as the effect's most consequential appearance: a working global system that must, in practice, account for an anisotropic one-way light speed in the rotating Earth frame. Ruyong Wang and Ronald R Hatch developed this into a proposed crucial experiment, and Domina Eberle Spencer with Uma Y Shama examined Sagnac-type experiments against the light-speed postulate in "Sagnac-Type Experiments and the Postulate on the Velocity of Light" (1996) and "The Interpretation of the Sagnac Experiment" (2002). Francisco J. Müller and Dale Means suggested in 1994 that solar and galactic Sagnac signatures might lie unrecognised in archival GPS data.
The Sagnac Award
Sagnac's name was given to an award presented within this community, which — as Peter Marquardt put it when presenting it to Halton C Arp in 2011 — differs from other prizes in that "while the other prizes recognize results or new ideas or new observations, the Sagnac Award recognizes and honors Freedom and Courage." Recipients documented here include:
- 2011 — Halton C Arp (presentation)
- 2012 — Donald E Scott (presentation)
- 2012 — Tom Bearden (presentation)
Papers on this wiki
- 1926 - Repeating the Harress-Sagnac Experiment (English Translation) — Béla Pogány, trans. Walter Rella
- 1965 - Georges Sagnac and the Discovery of the Ether — John E Chappell
- 1990 - If Sagnac and Michelson-Gale, Why Not Michelson-Morley? — Howard C Hayden, Cynthia Kolb Whitney
- 1991 - On a Recent Mininterpretation of Sagnac's Experiment — Howard C Hayden
- 1992 - Sagnac and Gravitation — Petr Beckmann
- 1994 - Solar and Galactic Sagnac Effects Might be Hidden in Published GPS Data of 1985 — Francisco J. Müller, Dale Means
- 1996 - Fresnel, Fitzeau, Hoek, Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale and Sagnac in Aetherless Galilean Space — Curtis E Renshaw
- 1996 - Sagnac-Type Experiments and the Postulate on the Velocity of Light — Domina Eberle Spencer, Uma Y Shama
- 1996 - The Sagnac Effect: Isotropic Light Speed in the Co-Rotating Frame — Robert B Driscoll
- 1996 - Hoek, Sagnac, and the Ether — Laszlo Szego, Peter F. Ofner
- 1997 - "An Explanation of the Sagnac Effect Based on the Special Theory of Relativity, the de Broglie/Bohm Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, and a Non-Zero Rest Mass for the Photon" — Patrick J Fleming
- 1997 - Synchronisation of Clock-Stations and the Sagnac Effect — Alphonsus G Kelly
- 1997 - Can Relativity Predict and Open Rotational Sagnac Effect and not an Open Orbital Sagnac Effect Simultaneously? — Francisco J. Müller, Dennis J. McCarthy
- 1997 - Sagnac's Experiment Misdescribed — Robert B Driscoll
- 1998 - To What Extent Can Sagnac and General Relativity Effects on Light be Explained by Newtonian Equations of Rotational Motion? — Harvey L Morgan
- 1998 - From the triangle Sagnac experiment to a practical, crucial experiment of the constancy of the speed of light using atomic clocks on moving objects — Ruyong Wang
- 2000 - A Strictly Special-Relativistic Discussion of Ehrenfest Paradox and Sagnac Experiment Suggests Another Possible Experimental Falsification of Special Relativity — Umberto Bartocci
- 2000 - Re-examine the Two Principles of Special Relativity and the Sagnac Effect Using GPS — Ruyong Wang
- 2002 - The Interpretation of the Sagnac Experiment — Domina Eberle Spencer
- 2002 - A Modified Sagnac Experiment: First Order Interferometric Experiment with Light Paths in Uniform Translational Motion — Ruyong Wang
- 2003 - Modified Sagnac experiment for measuring travel-time difference between counter-propagating light beams in a uniformly moving fiber — Ruyong Wang, Yi Zheng, Aiping Yao, Dean Langley
- 2004 - Sagnac Effect: End of the Mystery — Franco Selleri
- 2004 - Generalized Sagnac Effect — Ruyong Wang, Yi Zheng, Aiping Yao
- 2007 - The Special Theory of Relativity and the Sagnac Effect — John-Erik Persson
- 2007 - Entrained Ether and Sagnac Effect — John-Erik Persson
- 2008 - Misunderstood Reality and SRT, Part 1: The Important Sagnac Effect — John-Erik Persson
- 2008 - Linear Sagnac Experiment - II — António José Saraiva
- 2008 - Detection of the Relativistic Corrections to the Gravitational Potential using a Sagnac Interferometer — Ioannis Iraklis Haranas, Michael Harney
- 2009 - The Sagnac Effect Explained Using the Special Relativity Theory — Jan Olof Jonson
- 2009 - The Sagnac Effect Explained — Franco Selleri
- 2009 - On the Sagnac Effect for Massive Particles and Some of its Eepistemological Consequences — François Goy
- 2010 - Bradley, Sagnac & Entrainment — John-Erik Persson
- 2012 - The Sagnac Effect, Once More — Franco Selleri
- 2013 - A Proposed Sagnac Experiment — Peter Marquardt
- 2013 - Classical and Relativistic Derivation of the Sagnac Effect — Wolfgang Engelhardt
See also
- Georges M M Sagnac — the experimenter
- GPS — where the Sagnac correction is applied operationally
- Relativity
- Special Relativity
External links
- Wang et al., "Modified Sagnac experiment for measuring travel-time difference between counter-propagating light beams in a uniformly moving fiber" — arXiv preprint of the Physics Letters A paper
- The same paper at NASA ADS